This is no suprise...The US and its lackey, NATO's proxy war against Russia must continue....so whitwashing Ukrainian Nazis is part of the propaganda the media pump out to make the Nazis sound clean...
Important piece Asa. Further evidence i think that while germany 'lost' ww2, the nazis 'won' and have been running w europe more or less ever since. For the US, fascism beats soviet/communism every time, hence decades of support to prop up that victory. Will be knocking up a piece on my substack using your piece as a reference. Keep it up mate.
Yes, this is an issue I've thought a lot about in the last few years. We were always taught from a young age in school history -- more than any other topic -- that "we" won the war and the Nazis "lost". But if many senior Nazis were actually adopted and rehabilitated by West Germany and other US vassal states and projects (Paperclip, Gladio, Ukraine, etc. etc.) then can the Nazis be truly said to have lost? I don't think so myself.
Pity I can't post images, specifically a mash-up of MSM bylines bemoaning Azov as a nazi organization, then those same MSM outlets singing its praises once it became useful to the empire.
As late as September, 2021, Azov was sponsoring a neonazi music fest in Kiev. But now we are duly informed that they have reformed.
And of course, there is the global flood of neonazis to fight for their buds in Ukraine. Gee, why would they fight for a famously and much hyped western liberal democracy?
But they're OUR Nazis, which makes them good nazi's
Besides who else is going to die for US-GOV other than morons?
Its said that the entire skin-head population of USA is now dead or gone, they all joined UKRAINE, went and done didn't come back, every where skinheads are saying "Everybody is gone"
BUT for pro-WAR U$ War-Criminals ($TAGING 911/Fratricide Mass Murdering thousands of their own people, then ILLEGALLY invading Iraq, Afghanistan & the Middle-East endangering and sacrificing their own troops Mass Murdering millions more innocents) while HYPOCRITICALLY calling pro-NATO Putin 'a threat', and now want HIM arrested?!
In September 2022, during the 7th month of the Ukraine War, interviewed by Channel 4 about his nine meetings with Vladimir Putin, ex-NATO Head Robertson said, "At the first meeting (in Moscow, Oct 2001) Vladimir Putin clearly said, 'I WANT RUSSIA TO BE PART OF WESTERN EUROPE...at the 2nd meeting (in Brussels) he said..'WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO INVITE RUSSIA TO (apply to) JOIN NATO?'...I started to sort of reach out and engage them in so many activities that they basically couldn't fight with us.. but after I left NATO (in Dec 2003), the American administration, the Bush administration (DURING THEIR OWN ILLEGAL WAR ON IRAQ opposed by Putin), lost any interest basically in doing business with Russia, they saw it as a threat..they didn't really want to make it part of the overall partnership (for Peace). I think we missed an opportunity at that time because I think it's what he (Putin) wanted, and we could have grabbed hold of him!"
And, the WORLD'S WORST WAR-CRIMINALS U$A killing millions (including pregnant women/unborn babies, infants, children, the defenceless elderly and disabled in their own lands) - don't recognize the INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT!
Wasting TRILLIONS in much needed public money diverted to PROFIT the unelected Military Industrial Complex endangering and sacrificing his own U.S. Troops and millions of innocents "GEORGE W. BUSH, WAR CRIMINAL? The Bush Administration's Liability for 269 War Crimes" - by Professor Michael Haas.
Eminent jurists, professional legal organizations, and human rights monitors in this country and around the world have declared that President George W. Bush may be prosecuted as a war criminal for his overt and systematic violations of such international law as the Geneva and Hague Conventions and such US law as the War Crimes Act, the Anti-Torture Act, and federal assault laws.
Professor Michael Haas identifies and documents 269 specific war crimes under US and international law for which President Bush, senior officials and staff in his administration, and military officers under his command are liable to be prosecuted.
Professor Haas divides the 269 war crimes of the Bush administration into four classes: 6 war crimes committed in launching a war of aggression; 36 war crimes committed in the conduct of war; 175 war crimes committed in the treatment of prisoners; and 52 war crimes committed in postwar occupations.
For each of the 269 war crimes of the Bush administration, Professor Haas gives chapter and verse in precise but non-technical language, including the specific acts deemed to be war crimes, the names of the officials deemed to be war criminals, and the exact language of the international or domestic laws violated by those officials. The author proceeds to consider the various US, international, and foreign tribunals in which the war crimes of Bush administration defendants may be tried under applicable bodies of law. He evaluates the real-world practicability of bringing cases against Bush and Bush officials in each of the possible venues.
Finally, Professor Hass weighs the legal, political, and humanitarian pros and cons of actually bringing Bush and Bush officials to trial for war crimes.
Yanukovish was hardly neutral. Both Kuchma, the president who appointed him PM, and Yanukovitch favored closer ties to Russia. Putin supported him in the 2004 election. The "coup" was an act by the Ukrainian people to rid themselves of a president had betrayed his promises to move toward the west and instead cosied up to Putin. "The coup, which was backed by the CIA, overthrew the elected, neutral, government of Ukraine and replaced it with a US-chosen government which was pro-NATO, pro-EU and hostile towards Russia."
all those neocon and CIA luminaries in Kiev were just taking in the cultural attractions. Victoria "Five Billion" Nuland was just being helpful when she named the Ukrainian cabinet, and Joe Biden was busily working to rid Ukraine of corruption when he ordered them to fire officials.
And of course, Zelenskii was elected in 2019 on a platform of peace and reconciliation with Russia, but he forgot to implement this and the Americans have no leverage over the Ukrainian regime or desire to stir up trouble.
Thank you for this serious critique of WP's credibility that also highlights a significant neo-Nazi problem in the Ukraine. In my country, the USA, we also have a serious problem with fascists. Apparently, at least 1/3 of the electorate here favors Trumpian fascism, and Donald Trump may very well become our next president, again, because we have a morally weak and corrupted opposition party and a morally weak and largely corrupted mass news media. But most Americans do not support fascism, even if they don't fully understand all of the issues and are held captive by the "lesser of two evils" political system that rules our country. I wonder how most Ukrainians actually feel about the neo-Nazis in their country. If my country were invaded under the direction of a mafia-fascist like Putin, regardless of what led up to that situation, I wouldn't want assistance denied because of the presence of Trump fascists. Of course, if the US is invaded it will most likely be in the form of a nuclear war and then it's all over for everyone. But that catastrophe could also happen as a result of the US/Russia proxy war in the Ukraine. Based on what I know now, and giving the benefit of the doubt without contrary evidence, I can't see abandoning the majority of Ukrainians because of the Nazis among them. But I can't justify America's provocations that helped cause the war. Nor can I ignore Russia's provocations. The only plausible solution I can think of is that any further aide from the USA be contingent upon entering into, or sincerely trying to enter into, robust negotiations following a cease fire by both sides. I can't speak of the conflicts playing out on the Ukraine battlegrounds in absolutes, nor the solutions. What is your suggested solution?
As far as I know the USA operates as a totalitarian Nazi like organization and has for all of my life and beyond. The idea we won WW II is quaint. The Nazis won and still are winning. Now the World Economic Forum has picked up the baton and seemingly every other nation. Modern Naziism likes to wear a velvet glove.
That would be a ROFLMAO comment if it wasn't so sad that you actually believe your own delusions. You have absolutely no idea what a "Nazi like organization" looks like. Fascism is intensely nationalistic. If you see that in the US you're an idiot. Nazism takes it one step farther by finding groups like Jews to scapegoat. Russia comes far closer to that description than any nation in the West. Putin has done the same thing by threatening anyone who would oppose his imperialist designs, "Of course they (the West) will try to bet on the so-called fifth column, on traitors - on those who earn their money here, but live over there. Live, not in the geographical sense, but in the sense of their thoughts, their slavish thinking,"
"Any people, and especially the Russian people, will always be able to distinguish the true patriots from the scum and the traitors, and just to spit them out like a midge that accidentally flew into their mouths."" Don't forget, Putin was strong supporter of the WEF until he didn't get his way in Ukraine.
The US has never had a problem with fascism or fascists, so it's zero surprise that the American establishment, including the media, is pro-Azov.
And Putin has never had a problem with Stalinism.
Where did you get that impression?
This is no suprise...The US and its lackey, NATO's proxy war against Russia must continue....so whitwashing Ukrainian Nazis is part of the propaganda the media pump out to make the Nazis sound clean...
Important piece Asa. Further evidence i think that while germany 'lost' ww2, the nazis 'won' and have been running w europe more or less ever since. For the US, fascism beats soviet/communism every time, hence decades of support to prop up that victory. Will be knocking up a piece on my substack using your piece as a reference. Keep it up mate.
Thanks JJ.
Yes, this is an issue I've thought a lot about in the last few years. We were always taught from a young age in school history -- more than any other topic -- that "we" won the war and the Nazis "lost". But if many senior Nazis were actually adopted and rehabilitated by West Germany and other US vassal states and projects (Paperclip, Gladio, Ukraine, etc. etc.) then can the Nazis be truly said to have lost? I don't think so myself.
Pity I can't post images, specifically a mash-up of MSM bylines bemoaning Azov as a nazi organization, then those same MSM outlets singing its praises once it became useful to the empire.
As late as September, 2021, Azov was sponsoring a neonazi music fest in Kiev. But now we are duly informed that they have reformed.
And of course, there is the global flood of neonazis to fight for their buds in Ukraine. Gee, why would they fight for a famously and much hyped western liberal democracy?
But they're OUR Nazis, which makes them good nazi's
Besides who else is going to die for US-GOV other than morons?
Its said that the entire skin-head population of USA is now dead or gone, they all joined UKRAINE, went and done didn't come back, every where skinheads are saying "Everybody is gone"
21st Century PEACE that should have been...
BUT for pro-WAR U$ War-Criminals ($TAGING 911/Fratricide Mass Murdering thousands of their own people, then ILLEGALLY invading Iraq, Afghanistan & the Middle-East endangering and sacrificing their own troops Mass Murdering millions more innocents) while HYPOCRITICALLY calling pro-NATO Putin 'a threat', and now want HIM arrested?!
In September 2022, during the 7th month of the Ukraine War, interviewed by Channel 4 about his nine meetings with Vladimir Putin, ex-NATO Head Robertson said, "At the first meeting (in Moscow, Oct 2001) Vladimir Putin clearly said, 'I WANT RUSSIA TO BE PART OF WESTERN EUROPE...at the 2nd meeting (in Brussels) he said..'WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO INVITE RUSSIA TO (apply to) JOIN NATO?'...I started to sort of reach out and engage them in so many activities that they basically couldn't fight with us.. but after I left NATO (in Dec 2003), the American administration, the Bush administration (DURING THEIR OWN ILLEGAL WAR ON IRAQ opposed by Putin), lost any interest basically in doing business with Russia, they saw it as a threat..they didn't really want to make it part of the overall partnership (for Peace). I think we missed an opportunity at that time because I think it's what he (Putin) wanted, and we could have grabbed hold of him!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTuTsQ1kuYU
Feb 2022, quote formerly pro-NATO Putin rightly stating before wrongly invading, "De-Nazify Ukraine."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partnership_for_Peace
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../7fff0ba1-bfda-4970.../
And, the WORLD'S WORST WAR-CRIMINALS U$A killing millions (including pregnant women/unborn babies, infants, children, the defenceless elderly and disabled in their own lands) - don't recognize the INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT!
https://www.npr.org/2022/04/16/1093212495/the-u-s-does-not-recognize-the-jurisdiction-of-the-international-criminal-court
Wasting TRILLIONS in much needed public money diverted to PROFIT the unelected Military Industrial Complex endangering and sacrificing his own U.S. Troops and millions of innocents "GEORGE W. BUSH, WAR CRIMINAL? The Bush Administration's Liability for 269 War Crimes" - by Professor Michael Haas.
Eminent jurists, professional legal organizations, and human rights monitors in this country and around the world have declared that President George W. Bush may be prosecuted as a war criminal for his overt and systematic violations of such international law as the Geneva and Hague Conventions and such US law as the War Crimes Act, the Anti-Torture Act, and federal assault laws.
Professor Michael Haas identifies and documents 269 specific war crimes under US and international law for which President Bush, senior officials and staff in his administration, and military officers under his command are liable to be prosecuted.
Professor Haas divides the 269 war crimes of the Bush administration into four classes: 6 war crimes committed in launching a war of aggression; 36 war crimes committed in the conduct of war; 175 war crimes committed in the treatment of prisoners; and 52 war crimes committed in postwar occupations.
For each of the 269 war crimes of the Bush administration, Professor Haas gives chapter and verse in precise but non-technical language, including the specific acts deemed to be war crimes, the names of the officials deemed to be war criminals, and the exact language of the international or domestic laws violated by those officials. The author proceeds to consider the various US, international, and foreign tribunals in which the war crimes of Bush administration defendants may be tried under applicable bodies of law. He evaluates the real-world practicability of bringing cases against Bush and Bush officials in each of the possible venues.
Finally, Professor Hass weighs the legal, political, and humanitarian pros and cons of actually bringing Bush and Bush officials to trial for war crimes.
https://www.abc-clio.com/products/c8109c/
Yanukovish was hardly neutral. Both Kuchma, the president who appointed him PM, and Yanukovitch favored closer ties to Russia. Putin supported him in the 2004 election. The "coup" was an act by the Ukrainian people to rid themselves of a president had betrayed his promises to move toward the west and instead cosied up to Putin. "The coup, which was backed by the CIA, overthrew the elected, neutral, government of Ukraine and replaced it with a US-chosen government which was pro-NATO, pro-EU and hostile towards Russia."
Because there are no such things as "elections".
all those neocon and CIA luminaries in Kiev were just taking in the cultural attractions. Victoria "Five Billion" Nuland was just being helpful when she named the Ukrainian cabinet, and Joe Biden was busily working to rid Ukraine of corruption when he ordered them to fire officials.
And of course, Zelenskii was elected in 2019 on a platform of peace and reconciliation with Russia, but he forgot to implement this and the Americans have no leverage over the Ukrainian regime or desire to stir up trouble.
"The coup, which was backed by the CIA, overthrew the elected, neutral, government of Ukraine..."
- calling Yanukovych's reign "neutral" is so insane it's beyond the reality. As is the rest of this article.
Thank you for this serious critique of WP's credibility that also highlights a significant neo-Nazi problem in the Ukraine. In my country, the USA, we also have a serious problem with fascists. Apparently, at least 1/3 of the electorate here favors Trumpian fascism, and Donald Trump may very well become our next president, again, because we have a morally weak and corrupted opposition party and a morally weak and largely corrupted mass news media. But most Americans do not support fascism, even if they don't fully understand all of the issues and are held captive by the "lesser of two evils" political system that rules our country. I wonder how most Ukrainians actually feel about the neo-Nazis in their country. If my country were invaded under the direction of a mafia-fascist like Putin, regardless of what led up to that situation, I wouldn't want assistance denied because of the presence of Trump fascists. Of course, if the US is invaded it will most likely be in the form of a nuclear war and then it's all over for everyone. But that catastrophe could also happen as a result of the US/Russia proxy war in the Ukraine. Based on what I know now, and giving the benefit of the doubt without contrary evidence, I can't see abandoning the majority of Ukrainians because of the Nazis among them. But I can't justify America's provocations that helped cause the war. Nor can I ignore Russia's provocations. The only plausible solution I can think of is that any further aide from the USA be contingent upon entering into, or sincerely trying to enter into, robust negotiations following a cease fire by both sides. I can't speak of the conflicts playing out on the Ukraine battlegrounds in absolutes, nor the solutions. What is your suggested solution?
As far as I know the USA operates as a totalitarian Nazi like organization and has for all of my life and beyond. The idea we won WW II is quaint. The Nazis won and still are winning. Now the World Economic Forum has picked up the baton and seemingly every other nation. Modern Naziism likes to wear a velvet glove.
That would be a ROFLMAO comment if it wasn't so sad that you actually believe your own delusions. You have absolutely no idea what a "Nazi like organization" looks like. Fascism is intensely nationalistic. If you see that in the US you're an idiot. Nazism takes it one step farther by finding groups like Jews to scapegoat. Russia comes far closer to that description than any nation in the West. Putin has done the same thing by threatening anyone who would oppose his imperialist designs, "Of course they (the West) will try to bet on the so-called fifth column, on traitors - on those who earn their money here, but live over there. Live, not in the geographical sense, but in the sense of their thoughts, their slavish thinking,"
"Any people, and especially the Russian people, will always be able to distinguish the true patriots from the scum and the traitors, and just to spit them out like a midge that accidentally flew into their mouths."" Don't forget, Putin was strong supporter of the WEF until he didn't get his way in Ukraine.
You are entirely entitled to express your personal opinions here.